Only Pluto and Neptune are exhibiting increased brightness. Climate Change May Affect The Habitability of Other Planets It’s not just Earth that has to worry. The first is gamma-ray emissions from the centre of our galaxy. This is hot enough to melt lead! By Jove! Falsified every textbook you had on the subject - so of course it is unimportant to you, you still use them. Methinks this all doesn't add up... (This is my first post ever in this forum so please, bear with me if I break some cardinal rule. Then we would need proxies to establish the true existence of any significant departure from normal conditions. I agree with what I think was the OP's original assertion that the Sun's weather is, by far, the greatest determinant of weather on the Earth. (And it will cool slower than the oven does, because the brisket has greater thermal mass than the oven's air.). Skeptical Science is a user forum wherein the science of climate change can be discussed from the standpoint of the science itself. THINK positively, and critically! We need concensus and realistic goals. mkuske, please do not refresh the page after submitting a comment. I'm just curious if our temperature changes might be related to the position of our solar system withon the galaxy, just as seasons temperatures can change based on our position around our sun. Every single atmosphereic scientist in the world was stunned by what they found, yet you discount this newly discovered source of energy as unimportat????? Can climate change lead us to life on other planets? There are therefore extreme temperature contrasts between day and night, or sun and shade. Not recognizing that, and pulling quotes out of context, assuming predictions are valid when they are falsified and generally questioning everything except your own conclusions as Jacksan has done is a recipe for pseudoscience, conspiracy theories and nonsense. ScienceDaily. What can we do to achieve some concensus? That makes the rate of temperature increase slow down. The Venusian atmosphere is mainly made up of carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas. The major change in Earth's climate is now really dominated by human activity, which has never happened before." Mars and Jupiter are not warming, and anyway the sun has recently been cooling slightly. Don't expect people to spoon feed you the info. What can we do to achieve some concensus? I would also like to see some scientific reference explaining why it is reasonable to assume that we can detect a climate change on a planet whose climate is barely hypothesized. Make up your minds please. Unfortunately, the prediction was completely wrong. - you think it's ok to dismiss them. Without this natural phenomenon, average temperatures on Earth would be 30 degrees lower than the current temperature. I just wanted to ask a question related to all of this: First, I recently read a theory that our solar system might be weaving in and out of our galaxy, moving over time closer to the galactic center and rubber-banding out to the outer rim, repeatedly. And could still be but we don't know - we haven't sent another probe back to check yet. Ergo, it is more likely that increased windspeed on Venus is associated with cooling temperatures than the reverse. Mars: the notion that Mars is warming came from an unfortunate conflation of weather and climate. the entire system by that time has moved on. It’s also worth noting that it takes about 240 million years for the Sun to complete one orbit around the centre of our galaxy, a period sometimes referred to as a cosmic year. Damn your lying eyes!). It has stored some of that heat radiation and gets to temperature much more quickly. Now put the brisket back on the oven and lower the oven's temperature slightly to 325 degrees Fahrenhiet for a half hour. Use the controls in the far right panel to increase or decrease the number of terms automatically displayed (or to completely turn that feature off). After twenty minutes, take it out and check the brisket's temperature. WHY would there not be Alien Life on other planets. Together, these act like a greenhouse, trapping heat and warming the planet. Uninformed opinions carry no validity whatsoever against those formed by the understanding of the scientific issues involved. I found this claim very interesting and I was intrigued how this claim could support the idea that climate change in natural and not caused by anthropogenic factors. Crops will be rotated and adjusted as mother nature has always done, and not all crops will be lost (unless pollinators continue to decline), we will make adjustments to planting seasons as man has for thousands of years. The observed phenomenon from which water flows have been observed were seen over that entire period. Pluto’s seasons are the least understood of all: its existence has only been known for a third of its 248 -year orbit, and it has never been visited by a space probe. Assuming the Earth initially was in thermal equilibrium (same energy coming in as going out to space), an increase in the energy coming in from the Sun will cause energy immediately to start accumulating in the Earth (by which I mean the atmosphere, surface land, surface water, deep oceans--the whole shebang). ESA's missions to Venus, Mars and Saturn's moon Titan will soon provide useful information to understand how our own planet's climate is regulated. And this one even existed when the word global warming was even invented. The temperatures are expected to change by as much as 10 Fahrenheit degrees at different places of the globe. If the Sun's input stops increasing--flattens out--then the Earth's energy indeed will continue to increase, but only until it reaches equilibrium. Saturn and its moons take 30 Earth years to orbit the Sun, so three decades of observations equates to only 1 Saturnian year. Obvisously the intensity of the suns output effects deminish over distance(the distance squared is still just a relationship to distance, this is much more relevant for gravity) would this NOT be the case? We are not even fully understanding weather events happening on these planets. Averaged over the Earth's surface, that represents 0.00014 W/m^2. On Earth, things differ because increased temperatures increase absolute humidity, and hence the energy supply for storms - but that mechanism is not available on Venus. There is a right answer. The research, federally funded by the National Science Foundation, could improve the safety and reliability of spacecraft that operate in the upper atmosphere. But that is not what has been happening. I tried your link, it didn't load for me; I couldnt' evaluate whether they cited any scientific work and how faithful to the original content it was. But if the sun’s output has levelled off or even diminished, then what is causing other planets to warm up? And there is the (relatively small) problem that the solar system would need to travel at well over 100 times the speed of light. ScientiFix Can bacteria ‘migrate’ to other planets & survive? And every approximately 100,000 years it does the same thing its doing now. In this analogy, what is typical for the brisket is the 175 degrees worth of heat radiation from the oven. I must agree with Tom Curtis on this one. Based on two pictures taken 22 years apart, assumptions were made that have not proved to be reliable. That is what would be required to establish a baseline, if we had instruments capable of reliably measuring enough climate parameters. The magnetopause is where the solar wind and Earth's magnetic field meet and push against one another like sumo wrestlers locked in combat. Select serious sources. Eg "Even if we removed all man-made contributors driving the AGW climate change, it would only clear up 10%-12% of the problem." Please take the time to review the policy and ensure future comments are in full compliance with it. The only other planet showing any sort of climate change at the moment is Jupiter, where the giant red spot has changed recently. You are quite correct. All the outer planets have vastly longer orbital periods than Earth, so any climate change on them may be seasonal. Just like the temperature of the brisket doesn't instantly jump to 350 degrees just because the oven around it did, neither does the Earth when irradiated by the Sun. This is place for discussion of the science and you cannot hope to make some useful criticism of science without spending some effort actually understanding it. The later, at least, is true. Why are not all planets and moons showing warming? Use the search engine. (free to republish), Mars, Triton, Pluto and Jupiter all show global warming, pointing to the Sun as the dominating influence in determining climate throughout the solar system." Heating attributed to other solar bodies remains unproven. One cosmic year ago the Earth was just recovering from the worst mass-extinction ever, the end-Permian 252 million years ago. When we orbit the Sun we never return to the same spot. NASA says the Martian South Pole’s “ice cap” has been shrinking for three summers in a row. I will add that handwaving my climate baseline remark does not make it go away. "It was very large, about as wide as Earth, and located approximately 40,000 miles above Earth's surface in a region called the magnetopause." At the same time, some and perhaps even all of the extraterrestrial climate shifts are from mechanisms with no bearing on the Earth's climate. Strawman arugments also have no place. That the Local Bubble lies within 100-200 parsecs (326 to 652 light years)  if the Sun clearly indicates the scales of "local" effects, and precludes any possibility that "the Solar System has begun to pass into" a magnetic field that has in fact been surrounding the solar system for tens of thousands of years. In particular: Provide a source for your "flux ropes". [Fortunately, Einstein is long dead, and so won't be able to protest against that "Alternative Fact".]. Also when the brisket is cooked, it doesn't immediately express it's stored heat and become room temperature, it releases it over time. This privilege can be rescinded if the posting individual treats adherence to the Comments Policy as optional, rather than the mandatory condition of participating in this online forum. It's reasonable to hypothesize that galactic weather could have a much greater effect on the solar system, as a whole, during certain galactic weather events. There is absolutely no way of telling whether these phenomena happened regularly before or not. Unfortunately, genuinely doing your own research requires years gaining the relevant skills and detailed background knowledge to not make a fool of yourself. Human beings are altering one of our planet's natural temperature regulators - the 'greenhouse effect'. The findings, published this week in the journal Geophysical Research Letters, were obtained with a model similar to the type used to predict future climate change on Earth. Just as they will be ignored in this conversation. Not to worry, for Jacksan has additional evidence. It would be a suitable place for life if it were not so cold: its surface is at a freezing -180 °C. [DB] This thread is about other planets' warming, or not. Life on Earth would disappear due to the extreme temperatures long before reaching even half of the concentrations of carbon dioxide on Venus. We need concensus and realistic goals. Libertarian presidential nominee Gary Johnson offered an outta this world solution on Sunday to the planet's environmental crises. . Comments Policy... You need to be logged in to post a comment. What the Energy Cycles Of Other Planets Can Tell Us About Climate Change On Earth Categories: Climate Feature Stories By Megan Gannon - Oct 27, 2017 The second issue is down to a lunatic called Dr. Alexey N. Dmitriev who has been preaching for some time (This reference date 1998) of a coming armagedon resulting from “highly charged material and energetic non-uniformities in anisotropic interstellar space which have broken into the interplanetary area of our Solar System.” If Dmitriev hasn't managed to convince his fellow scientists in (2015-1998=) 18 years, it likely isn't worth examining the details of his assertions and rather put it down to “There's always one!”. Our solar system is travelling through an interstellar medium, the density and energy of which may vary greatly - and for extended periods of time. Thank you. You post has numerous instance where you making such statement. If you want to have a rant about AGW, there are plenty of other sites which would welcome your input. THE ESCALATOR Now scientists are telling us that Mars is experiencing its own planetary warming: Martian warming. The sun’s output has declined in recent decades. The information they collect is used for long-term weather forecasting and climate change studies. Please provide scientific references explaining specifically what are flux ropes. Why isn't the Earth showing more warming? and your link is actually mashing four different phenomenon and three separate issues rolled into the one account. That in turn is an overestimate of the forcing as approximately only 10% of energy transfered to the thermosphere (let alone the ionosphere) makes it to the lower atmosphere, the rest being radiated to space. Offline PDF Version  |  Numerous instance where you making such statement possible that they do have available. Gaining the relevant skills and detailed background knowledge to not make a fool of yourself,. Huffington post, further that this energy is distributed among all the outer have! 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