Dr. Phillip Barlow (Arrington Chair of Mormon History and Culture at Utah State University) invited Elder Marlin K. Jensen (Church Historian and Recorder) to speak at USU. It got an enormous amount of internet traffic and spurred several post/discussions among my Mormon friends. ". Date: April 21, 2017 Author: Guest Poster 28 Comments. Page 9 – #1 (cont) Does the Language Reflect 1769 KJV? He currently is a member of the First Quorum of the Seventy. Marlin Keith Jensen (born May 18, 1942) has been a general authority of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) since 1989. Although convenient in furthering his narrative (i.e. “We went there often. His presentation is entitled, “The Office of Church Historian and Recorder.” Elder Jensen was called to the First Quorum of the Seventy on April 1, 1989. Marlin K. Jensen, in Logan, Utah, on November 11, 2011, who states that there is a massive exodus/apostasy going on, where more people are leaving Mormonism right now, than any other time since Kirtland! Jensen, the church’s official historian, would not provide any figures on the rate of defections, but he told Reuters that attrition has accelerated in the last five or … LDS elder Marlin Jensen. SALT LAKE CITY—Elder Marlin K. Jensen, Church Historian and Recorder, will be the featured speaker at the next “Evenings at the Museum” event on June 21, 2012 at the Church History Museum. Questioning was essentially open. Pages 57-58 – Did the 1835 D&C Revelations Ban Polygamy? Elder Marlin K. Jensen was named a member of the First Quorum of the Seventy of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints on April 1, 1989. Shortly after Elder Jensen's comments on the issue of apostasy in the modern Church over historical issues, the Washington Post reported: Jensen insists critics overstate the LDS exodus over the church’s history. Terryl Givens further elaborates on this: Time for Mormons to Come to Terms with Church History, An approach to Thoughtful, Honest and Faithful Mormonism, Claremont Graduate University School of Religion, Harold B. Lee Library Mormon Studies Resources, Homosexuality: A Straight BYU Student’s Perspective, Journal for the Scientific Study of Religion, Society for the Scientific Study of Religion, University of Illinoise Press, Mormon Studies. The survey went on to measure the cost a non-believer incurs in family relationships. Page 38 – Facsimile 1 – Condition of the Papyri, Page 38 – Facsimile #1 – Penciled portion, Page 53 – (Paragraph 3) – Helen Mar Kimball. He is a former lawyer and farmer. Respondents indicated that the church should not encourage spouses to divorce disbelievers, but should instead encourage believing spouses to stay married to their partner. Page 58 – Dishonesty for 10+ Years, JS Reputation, Page 58 – 31 Witness Affidavit, lying signatories, Page 59 – Repeated Lying Claims Addressed, Page 62 – #1 – Spencer W. Kimball on Adam God, Page 62 – #1 – Bruce R. McConkie on Adam God, Page 64 – #3 – Polygamy – New and Everlasting Covenant, Page 65 – #4 – JS allowed Black ordinations, Page 65 – #4 – Scant evidence on ban origin, Page 65 – #4 – Church History on Race is More Complex, Pages 66-68 – #5 – Mark Hofmann Timeline, Ch. Page 77 – #5 – Is the Church Hiding its History? I didn't understand what was going on or why people would leave "over history." "To say we are experiencing some Titanic-like wave of apostasy … He was the first baptized Latter Day Saint, one of the Three Witnesses of the Book of Mormon's golden plates, one of the first Latter Day Saint apostles, and the Second – steal wives underage girls etc. Documents owned by the Community of Christ shared ... Hindus concerned over baptism for the dead, Church History Symposium: Joseph F. Smith, Exploring Mormon Conceptions of the Apostasy, Religious Mormons and Jews have highest "well being". Jensen was made an emeritus general authority in the October 2012 general conference. Page 58 – Public Denials and Careful Wording. Page 11 – #4 – DNA and the Book of Mormon, Page 11 – #6 – Book of Mormon Archaeology, Page 14 – #7 Vernal Holley List is Flawed, Page 14 – #7 – Book of Mormon, 337 Unique Names, Page 15 – #7 (Cont.) Page 76 – #4 – Book of Mormon copyright revelation. Page 33 – #2 – What did Joseph Hope to Learn in the Grove? alcohol, extramarital sex)', 'I was offended by someone in the church', 'Lack of, meaningful friendships within the church.' Elder Jensen has been a general authority of the church since 1989. He served as the official Church Historian and Recorder of the church from 2005 to 2012. St. George Temple President Bruce C. Hafen, left, with Elder Marlin K. Jensen of the Seventy, church historian and recorder, during a Mormon history meeting in St. George in 2011. The headline "Elder Marlin Jensen Apologizes for Proposition 8" is a bit misleading. Page 9 – #2 – Why are KJV Italics in BOM? Elder Marlin Jensen will be released as Church Historian in an upcoming General Conference. He continued saying the church has, "a strategy to get church history onto the Web," and that the church is "working on an initiative to answer some of these more pressing questions. ", The church "has made no effort to hide or obscure its history," Jensen said, but some aspects — such as polygamy — "haven’t been emphasized often because they were not necessarily germane to what is taught at present.". R. Scott Lloyd, Deseret News Elder Marlin K. Jensen presents a copy of a Joseph Smith Papers book to Elder Russell M. Nelson of the … Page 38 – Facsimile #1 – Lion Couch Egyptologists Differing Views. Monday, February 25, 2008. Pages 16-20 – #8 – View of the Hebrews Cowdery-Ethan Smith connection? To suggest otherwise is to perpetuate a false and damaging gossip. Some Internet-savvy Mormons are struggling to reconcile the correlated views they learned in church classes with the history they find on the Internet. Although convenient in furthering his narrative (i.e. Page 37 – #1 – Was Abraham the Author of the Papyri? Millenial Mormons are coming of age and learning all sorts of new things about Church history that were previously much more difficult to find and learn. (1). At the invitation of Utah State University professor Philip Barlow, Jensen held a "Q&A" with a Mormon Studies student group on November 11, 2011. The problem is not so much the discovery of particular details that are deal breakers for the faithful; the problem is a loss of faith and trust in an institution that was less that forthcoming to begin with." Shortly after Elder Jensen's comments on the issue of apostasy in the modern Church over historical issues, the Washington Post reported: Jensen insists critics overstate the LDS exodus over the church’s history. He was the 19th man to hold that calling since it was established in 1830. Radical new theory of first Americans arriving by ... Baptism for the dead continues to draw attention. To respond to a wave of doubt and apostasy in Sweden, the church sent historian Marlin Jensen and assistant historian Richard Turley to Sweden for a closed-door fireside to frankly discuss the members' doubts, which was recorded by an attendee (audio can be found in the links on the MormonThink page, linked to from the heading above). He served as the official Church Historian and Recorder of the church from 2005 to 2012. Oliver H. P. Cowdery (October 3, 1806 – March 3, 1850) was, with Joseph Smith, an important participant in the formative period of the Latter Day Saint movement between 1829 and 1836. In her September 27th essay on Huffington Post entitled "LDS Elder Marlin Jensen's Prop 8 'Apology': We Need Clarification", Holly Welker does laud Elder Jensen for his courage, compassion and human decency in publicly offering sympathy and regret for the misunderstanding caused by the actions of the Church in promoting Prop 8. There has been a bit of buzz (mostly amongst ex- and anti-Mormons) recently over some remarks of Elder Marlin K. Jensen, an emeritus member of the 1st Quorum of the Seventy and former Church Historian and Recorder, who is alleged to have said that, thanks to Google, the omniscient fount of all knowledge, members of the Church are leaving “in droves”. Just a few years ago, Elder Marlin Jensen called this the greatest period of apostasy since Kirtland. "To say we are experiencing some Titanic-like wave of apostasy is inaccurate. This may challenge conventional wisdom that some who lose their faith do so because of single-issue hang-ups. Page 58? Marlin Keith Jensen (born May 18, 1942) has been a general authority of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) since 1989. As an LDS general authority and official Church Historian, Marlin K. Jensen presided over a historic shift toward greater openness in the Mormon church’s approach to its history. In May 2013, an emergency fireside was held in Stockholm Sweden by Apostle Ballard, Elder Marlin Jensen and Elder Richard Turley to address the faith crisis that ensued among an entire group of members and leaders in Stockholm Sweden including a stake president and a member of the Quorum of the Seventy (General Authority) Terryl Givens once wrote of Elder Jensen: "Marlin Jensen has done more to further the cause of Mormon history than any person of the current generation." Roberts lose faith in the Book of Mormon? Church historian Marlin Jensen actually used the term apostasy in 2012 when describing members leaving the Church: Church historian, Elder Marlin Jensen held a Q&A session at Utah State University on January 18, 2012. Elder Marlin K. Jensen Questions And Answers. INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPT. Apparently some Latter-day Saints who have learned about church history through the church's "correlated". A set of events, inadvertently, and perhaps symbolically started by the LDS Church Historian have been unfolding, bringing an awareness of this "crisis." Pages 25-27 – #11 – Trinitarian View – Christ as Father, Pages 25-27 – #11 – Trinitarian View – Chronology of dual deity quotations, Pages 25-27 – #11 – Trinitarian View – Godhead, Pages 25-27 – #11 – Trinitarian View – Trinity teachings, Page 29 – Various Accounts Differ on Translation Insights, Page 29 – Criticism of Artists and Rock in a Hat, Page 29 – Criticism of Artists Renditions. On Janurary 31, John Dehlin, founder of Mormon Stories published the initial results of a survey, I studied church history and lost my belief, I ceased to believe in the church's doctrine/theology, 'The three lowest ranked reasons include reasons that some members and leaders have pointed to as reasons some lose their faith: 'I wanted to, engage in behaviors viewed as sinful by the church (e.g. Page 55 – Only Reason for Polygamy is to Have Kids? Mormons covenant not to speak ill of the Lord’s anointed, but apparently this does … Millenial Mormons are coming of age and learning all sorts of new things about Church history that were previously much more difficult to find and learn. Elder Marlin K. Jensen has been a member of the First Quorum of the Seventy since April 1989. Did the leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints know that members are “leaving in droves?” a woman asked. CES Letter, Introduction (cont.) Beliefs. Pages 25-27 – #11 – Book of Mormon Trinitarian View? He was the 19th man to hold that calling since it was established in 1830. FAIR Mormon on Comoro Africa, Pages 16-20 – #8 – View of the Hebrews, Chart Analysis, Pages 16-20 – #8 – View of the Hebrews Non-parallels. Audio and a rough transcript/commentary was originally posted on a blog called Simple Mormon Spectator. that the Church is suffering from mass apostasy because it tried to cover up its past), it is unfortunate that the author of The CES Letter chose to ignore these clarifying remarks by Elder Jensen. The two men were companions during their full-time missions in Germany. Pages 20-21 – #8 – Did B.H. Excerpts of the Q&A session specifically having to do with the difficulties Mormons face when learning about church history are included below. Below is a list of the unfolding events and articles: A "Q&A" with the LDS Church Historian Elder Marlin K. Jensen was hosted by the John A. Widtsoe Association for Mormon Studies at Utah State University on November 11, 2011, By January 18, news of  Elder Jensen's frank discussion of an apostasy circulated on some Mormon blogs, On Janurary 28, Rueters News pubilished a ", An interview with Elder Jensen and others was, "haven't been emphasized often because they were not necessarily germane to what is taught at present" indicating efforts are underway to include such items in seminary and institute manuals. Book: Playing with Shadows: Voices Of Dissent In T... Mormon Media Studies Symposium 2012: "Mormon Momen... January 31, in an article titled "Number of faithful Mormons rapidly declining", KUTV 4. Shortly after Elder Jensen's comments on the issue of apostasy in the modern Church over historical issues, the, Hostile authors love to quote Elder Jensen about the alleged widespread apostasy in the Church today without mentioning his follow-up comments. Page 9 – #2 – Why is “Red Sea” Mentioned? Elder Marlin K. Jensen Confirms Mormon Attrition Rate At Its Highest Percentage Since The 1837 Failure Of The Kirtland Bank A recent Pew survey entitled "Mormons In America" triggered some skepticism on the more prominent LDS blogs. Jensen was asked if church leaders were aware that members were discovering problems with LDS Church … Page 76 – #3 – Is the Holy Spirit Inefficient? A chronicle of Issues, Studies, News and other items of interest regarding Mormonism (2006-2013), A number of articles have come out in the past few days regarding a large number of people leaving the LDS church. I was present at the meeting. Jensen was made an emeritus general authority in the October 2012 general conference. We will share an intimate glimpse … The survey also showed an increased cost in mental and spiritual health among unbelievers who remained active in the church. Jensen has been replaced as the church's historian. Apostasy, Culture, Education, emotions, empathy, LDS, leadership, Mormon, Mormon Belief, Mormon Culture, Mormon Discussion, religion, scriptures, theology, tradition, Uncategorized. Page 9 – #1 – Why do we have 1769 KJV Errors? He is a loving husband and father of eight He served as Executive Director of the Church History Department and was sustained as Church Historian/Recorder in the April 2005 general conference. Each month as new missionaries arrived and as those finishing their missions departed, we took them there. There was a great deal of pain expressed by a number of people about their experiences around Prop 8 and the larger context of church policy regarding gay people. of faith promoting stories are caught off guard when learning other aspects of Mormon history. Jensen Calls Our Time an Apostasy Recently, Elder Marlin K. Jensen was subject to a Q & A at Utah State University. Also on January 31, Latter-day Saint columnist Joanna Brookes opined. 7 – Kinderhook Plates & Translator Claims, Page 72 – #2 – Kinderhook Plates and the Book of Abraham. Gay marriage legalized in Washington State, 'Book of Mormon' wins Grammy for musical theater, Prop 8 declared unconstitutional by 9th circuit court. Page 24 – #10 – The First Book of Napoleon, Page 24 – #10 – BofM and First Book of Napoleon Excerpt Comparison, Page 24 – #10 – First Book of Napoleon, Comparison of Texts. He served in the Presidency of the Seventy and as the executive director of the Curriculum, Historical, Priesthood, and Family and Church History Departments. Steve Griffin/The Salt Lake Tribune 2/20/08 Elder Marlin Jensen of the LDS Church's First Quorum of Seventy has been replaced as the church's historian and will become an emeritus general authority in October 2012. Elder Marlin K. Jensen was “content, downright happy” to be working on his Huntsville, Utah, ranch and practicing law in nearby Ogden when, in 1989, the Lord called him at age 46 to serve as a General Authority. Tribune file photo In this 2009 photo, LDS Church Historian and Recorder Marlin Jensen presents Elder Russell M. Nelson of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles with a copy of The Joseph Smith Papers, volume two. Lyin' for the Lord? Many respondents made the case that it wasn't necessarily the historical issue per se that led to their disbelief, but rather a sense of betrayal at what was often viewed as a dishonest approach to the church's history.". Today’s post is from sometime guest poster Shannon Flynn. An interview with Elder Jensen and others was published in an article by the Salt Lake Tribune on January 30. An evening with Elder Marlin K. Jensen. that the Church is suffering from mass apostasy because it tried to cover up its past), it is unfortunate that the author of. The timing of his release has nothing to do with comments Elder Jensen made recently (cited acontextually here, among other places). Jensen noted that controversial issues "haven't been emphasized often because they were not necessarily germane to what is taught at present" indicating efforts are underway to include such items in seminary and institute manuals. Elder Marlin K. Jensen was named a member of the First Quorum of the Seventy of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints on April 1, 1989. This truly shocked me. Elder Marlin K. Jensen speaks during a CES Devotional on May 6, 2012, in Sacramento, Calif. Credit: Photo by Annalisa Heylen “My family and I came to love that grove of trees and to feel of its sacredness,” he said. Hostile authors love to quote Elder Jensen about the alleged widespread apostasy in the Church today without mentioning his follow-up comments. In QandA session at Utah State on Jan 18 Jensen said, "We never have had a period of, I’ll call it apostasy, like we’re having right now." Page 33 – #3 – Is there Earlier Historical Documentation of the First Vision? Just a few years ago, Elder Marlin Jensen called this the greatest period of apostasy since Kirtland. Mormons can now discuss the P word — polygamy — at church. Topics LDS, marlin, jensen, church, mormon, leaving, membership Language English. By Jana Riess — January 2, 2014 . Page 81 – #1 – Bushman on the Priesthood Restoration, Page 86 – Magical Worldview – Josiah Stowell, Page 86 – Magical Worldview – Newspapers and money-digging, Page 86 – Magical Worldview – Smiths were farmers, Page 87 – Magical Worldview – Rod of Aaron and BC and D&C Comparison, Page 87 – Physical object used in the Bible, Page 88 – Rod of Aaron Use Documentation Absent, Page 88 – Witnesses never denied their testimonies, Page 88 – Martin Harris – not a gullible dupe, Page 89 – three witnesses individual accounts, Page 90 – five religions after Martin Harris, Page 90 – Martin Harris and the Strangites, Page 91 – Martin and the Witnesses Were Reliable, Page 92 – David Whitmer Henry Moyle quote, Page 93-94 – Second Sight Quotes 1,2,9 – Martin Harris and Metcalf, Page 93 & 100 – Second Sight Quote 3 – Martin Harris Spiritual Eye, Page 93 – Second Sight Quote 5 – David Whitmer literal wood, Page 94 – Second Sight Quote #8 – Jesse Townsend, Page 94 – Second Sight Quote #7 – Pomeroy Tucker, Page 95 – Differences Between Joseph Smith and James Strang, Page 99 – Accounts of Book of Mormon Witnesses Master, Page 99 – Missing Original 8 Witnesses Document, Page 101 – Witnesses Never Denied Testimonies, Page 102 – #3 – Excommunicating the witnesses, Page 104 – #7 – Martin Harris and the Shakers, Page 104 – #7 – Comparing Shaker Book and Scroll to BofM witnesses, Page 108 – #5 – Zero Links to Solomon’s Temple, Page 111 – Intro – Science cannot disprove religion, Page 111 – #4 – literal reading of the bible, Page 113 – 114 – #1 – Church and African Americans, Page 120 – #2 Finances – full account of story, Page 120 – #3 Anti-Intellectualism – broadcasting weaknesses of leaders, Page 120 – #3 Anti-Intellectualism – misrepresenting the historical record, Page 120 – #3 Anti-Intellectualism – Dallin H Oaks on Criticizing, Page 122 – #3 Anti-Intellectualism – don’t criticize, Page 122 – #3 Anti-Intellectualism – scary internet, Page 122 – #3 Anti-Intellectualism – Uchtdorf -Truth, Page 124 – #3 – Anti-Intellectualism – intellecutals, Page 124 – #3 Anti-Intellectualism – September 1993. 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